Yeah, no. Bob Dylan is not a great singer though I like his voice and it fits his music. What he is is one of the greatest song writers of all times. Have you read his lyrics? Perhaps you should seek out other musicians covering his work.
And your comments about Joni are totally off base. I am a guitar player and I can assure you the way she plays is truly unique. She has a fine understanding of standard harmonies as proven by her countless songs based on more standard chord progressions. But as an untrained musician she let her ears guide into modern territory using combinations of notes that don't fall neatly into our system of music theory. And the important part is that it works- it's not some random person playing random notes.
Those people who couldn't figure out how to name her chords? They were Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, two of the architects of post-bebop Jazz and who along with Charles Mingus greatly admired Joni's work.
Speaking of Mingus, go listen to her album of that name. It was originally supposed to be a collaboration with the all time great Jazz bassist, but he sadly died before the album could be made. But most of the songs on the album are Mingus compositions and I can assure you that they are no simple rock/folk melodies. There aren't many in the pop/rock world that can handle singing those melodies.
So yeah, claims of Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell representing white mediocrity are ridiculous.
Oh. Nevermind, then. I guess they coffee hasn't kicked in enough you to recognize sarcasm.
Not that you need me to say it, but you are potentially correct. There are lots of super talented black musicians who never got the recognition they deserved and certainly not the financial reward. So no matter how talented Joni and Bob are they very well could have ended up working service industry jobs.
It’s funny I feel the exact same way about Lil Wayne. He’s the most mediocre artist in rap. He’s never had a song, beat or even a bar that blew me away and believe me I’ve tried to understand it. He was carried to fame by the wave of much stronger southern hip hop and kept relevant by doing dogshit pop rap features and just happening to sign the two biggest rappers of the 2010’s. Worst of all he’s the type of guy that pretends to skate, which is ok if you’re 12 but he was in his early 30’s when he started that.
But everybody loves him for some reason, I don’t like Jay Z or J Cole but I understand why people love them. Wayne is just nonsense.
i cannot begin to tell you how justified I feel in my lifelong dislike of American folk music now. you have given me so much fodder to tell at old white men and for this gift I thank you profusely
Here in Minnesota Bob Dylan can seem untouchable to many older, well-meaning white people. This article was the exact kind of provocation that I needed to read. Would love to hear more expansive thoughts on the mentions of Adele and Bon Iver as RnB o7
Wait you don’t think Brent Faiyaz can sing? lmao. Frank I can understand what you mean. i’ve had this question so much actually especially watching shows like the office and parks and rec. I have asked several times. Do people think Andy Bernard/Ed Helms (The Office)can actually sing or is it the joke that he can’t actually sing and same thing for other Andy Dwyer/ Chris Pratt (Parks and Rec). Questions I never figured out the answer to
So fucking funny, I love the way you write like we’re walking down the street. A great point too, reminds me of the amateur night at the Apollo theatre. Tough initiation.
no thank you for this because i remember me and my dad listening to one of performance and we turned that shit off IMMEDIATELY. this was such a fun read
More and more, I hear folks in the music industry who can't sing. Which is totally fine. The voice is one of many instruments, and you can play it how you want or can.
😂🔥the audio of this piece wit dude talking in a british accent is 🤌🏽
Lmaooo! Thanks for reading bro! 🙏🏾
Great writing!
Thank you!
Yeah, no. Bob Dylan is not a great singer though I like his voice and it fits his music. What he is is one of the greatest song writers of all times. Have you read his lyrics? Perhaps you should seek out other musicians covering his work.
And your comments about Joni are totally off base. I am a guitar player and I can assure you the way she plays is truly unique. She has a fine understanding of standard harmonies as proven by her countless songs based on more standard chord progressions. But as an untrained musician she let her ears guide into modern territory using combinations of notes that don't fall neatly into our system of music theory. And the important part is that it works- it's not some random person playing random notes.
Those people who couldn't figure out how to name her chords? They were Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, two of the architects of post-bebop Jazz and who along with Charles Mingus greatly admired Joni's work.
Speaking of Mingus, go listen to her album of that name. It was originally supposed to be a collaboration with the all time great Jazz bassist, but he sadly died before the album could be made. But most of the songs on the album are Mingus compositions and I can assure you that they are no simple rock/folk melodies. There aren't many in the pop/rock world that can handle singing those melodies.
So yeah, claims of Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell representing white mediocrity are ridiculous.
It’s a joke
Oh. Nevermind, then. I guess they coffee hasn't kicked in enough you to recognize sarcasm.
Not that you need me to say it, but you are potentially correct. There are lots of super talented black musicians who never got the recognition they deserved and certainly not the financial reward. So no matter how talented Joni and Bob are they very well could have ended up working service industry jobs.
no fr this is so true, like imagine if Taylor swift were white, would’ve been working at Costco😭
ok 1. this is awesome but 2. i need u to elaborate on bon iver making r&b
But Brent and Frank CAN sing?
Yeah did a quadruple take on that line.
He's kidding? Idk maybe he missed that in the final pass.
It’s funny I feel the exact same way about Lil Wayne. He’s the most mediocre artist in rap. He’s never had a song, beat or even a bar that blew me away and believe me I’ve tried to understand it. He was carried to fame by the wave of much stronger southern hip hop and kept relevant by doing dogshit pop rap features and just happening to sign the two biggest rappers of the 2010’s. Worst of all he’s the type of guy that pretends to skate, which is ok if you’re 12 but he was in his early 30’s when he started that.
But everybody loves him for some reason, I don’t like Jay Z or J Cole but I understand why people love them. Wayne is just nonsense.
I’ve thought this- but never been able to articulate it. Thank you.
i cannot begin to tell you how justified I feel in my lifelong dislike of American folk music now. you have given me so much fodder to tell at old white men and for this gift I thank you profusely
Here in Minnesota Bob Dylan can seem untouchable to many older, well-meaning white people. This article was the exact kind of provocation that I needed to read. Would love to hear more expansive thoughts on the mentions of Adele and Bon Iver as RnB o7
Wait you don’t think Brent Faiyaz can sing? lmao. Frank I can understand what you mean. i’ve had this question so much actually especially watching shows like the office and parks and rec. I have asked several times. Do people think Andy Bernard/Ed Helms (The Office)can actually sing or is it the joke that he can’t actually sing and same thing for other Andy Dwyer/ Chris Pratt (Parks and Rec). Questions I never figured out the answer to
If George Floyd was a White man he wouldn’t have overdosed on Fent in the middle of the street
So fucking funny, I love the way you write like we’re walking down the street. A great point too, reminds me of the amateur night at the Apollo theatre. Tough initiation.
no thank you for this because i remember me and my dad listening to one of performance and we turned that shit off IMMEDIATELY. this was such a fun read
More and more, I hear folks in the music industry who can't sing. Which is totally fine. The voice is one of many instruments, and you can play it how you want or can.
II love it !
essay is:
https://celltherapy.substack.com/p/jesus-aint-comin-neither-is-yall